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Role of PES and role of MXLO
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: Role of PES and role of MXLO
Below is an exchange of particular interest to this project.
Please note very carefully.
MXLO wishes to focus on a faithful replication of their plans, giving first priority to their paying
customers.
Any deviations from those plans are not something they are interested in commenting upon at this
time, even from their customer base.
Accordingly, our first priority before going for improvements should also be to replicate their
plans as presently constituted.
Once that is done (at least two or three independent replications), then is the time to begin
characterizations and modifications for improvement. At that point each improvement iteration should
have a separate set of instructions in reference to fixed instruction documents that have been
published in PDF form (unalterable, dated contents). Such landmark PDF documents should have lines
numbered for ease of reference to subsequent modifications that are made. Any major successful
designs should soon be accompanied by a complete set of plans, and not referenced to a previous
iteration.
That said, I do not wish to discourage the posting now of reports of modified replication attempts.
Just be sure to note clearly that what you are posting is a modification.
By the way, Thomas makes reference below to someone among us who has achieved rotation. Whoever that
is, please make yourself known, and let us learn from your success.
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Role of PES and role of MXLO
Hi Sterling,
Our position is not against your fostering the open source. It is against all those who rush to
conclusion of how the device should or shouldn't work. And what parts should and shouldn't be used.
I can offer to sell you a plastic model airplane, but that doesn't mean you can assemble the parts
with water.
Our other objection is to the greed factor. This being the many people who send us email offering
loads of money if we would give them exclusive rights to the technology. We could care less about
the money. This is not a monetary issue for us. Yes we are a for profit group, but the profit is
small because we want it that way.
The profit we take covers our cost for support issues and other cost related to this venture. It
is not as though we are selling distributorships in an electric company.
This is a project that will teach the builder the simple method of building the unit and finding
the zero point, and when someone takes their time and succeeds, we also jump up and down for them.
But they must take it to the next level, not us.
Do you realize that there may already be a successful unit that was
built by a member of your discussion group? This based on an email that was sent telling me how they
have gotten their rotor to spin very quickly for a few seconds, and that they continue to follow the
pes group for further improvements. That individual is on the correct path because he is taking time
in seeing the effect.
Please don't misunderstand, I am not discouraging you or your group from building on the project.
You have the opportunity to turn it into whatever you dream. Others have had the same opportunity.
But we cannot allow individuals to undermine us by demanding public display. When we first posted
the video performance of the device we were thrown a bandwidth draw, which continued to suck our
bandwidth until the file was removed. This caused problems with two of our previous host so we
accepted it as a warning.
The bottom line is we are more concerned with our safety then we are of someone's mass production
ideas. This is the reason I told you from the beginning that we have no desire, nor do we agree to
be a part of any team.
Respectfully yours,
Thomas Jean
http://www.mxlo.com
http://www.magnethealer.com
Quoting "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com>:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I am quite confused by what seems to me to be mixed signals coming from you.
>
> At PES, our objective is singular -- to help bring free energy technology to
> the world in as effective a way as we possibly can; and one of those methods
> is to open source certain technologies.
>
> Early in our communications I referred you to a document on our website where
> we define what
> we mean by open source:
> http://www.pureenergysystems.com/glossary/open_source.htm
> To publicly publish a technology that has reached at least proof of concept
> stage; openly and freely providing a complete set of instructions of how to
> reproduce the technology; giving a list of locations where people can go to
> view a unit in operation; sponsoring a worldwide dialogue on how to improve
> the technology; actively reporting the improvements as they are discovered;
> providing kits for reproduction; and fostering development of the technology
> toward readiness for mass production.
>
> We welcome any development team to take what we have openly published and
> prepare it for market.
>
> We encourage people taking it to market. If there are those on our forum
> with such an intent, we jump up and down for joy, and are thrilled that what
> we are doing may be assisting them in doing so.
>
> We encourage mass marketing. If there are those among us who are capable of
> doing so, and are even thinking of doing so, we are more than pleased.
>
> We encourage improvement of the technology. As ideas come along of ways to
> possibly improve the design, we are glad to honor that. Indeed, the very
> name of my primary website: GREATERTHINGS.com has as its premise that there
> is ALWAYS a better way to do EVERYTHING, and we seek after such things -- a
> continued betterment of the lot of mankind as well as of our personal lives.
>
> We encourage novel innovations. And even if someone wants to take a
> particular idea they have had, go patent it, build a product based on that,
> and bless mankind with that product -- we say more power to them.
> Hallelujah.
>
> We don't care if we are not directly involved in the marketing. In fact,
> Pure Energy Systems is a non-profit organization. Our objective is one of
> fostering. It is a breeding ground of good ideas. Let others then take
> those ideas to the market.
>
> It's the end result we are fostering -- getting this technology out to the
> masses where it can do some good.
>
> Please tell me where you depart from this, because I don't understand.
>
> Could it be in that we are a non-profit, and you are a for-profit (I don't
> know what your corp. status is)?
>
> But even at that, your website seems to have as its implied objective the
> selling of plans for a working device.
>
> If you think people are going to just take your plans as they are, and
> faithfully replicate them, with no thought of improving upon them, then you
> have misunderstood a very positive attribute found in many human beings of
> the ilk who are going to happen across your site. They, like me, know there
> will always be a better way.
>
> Indeed, even on your own site, you explicitly state that you leave it to the
> end user to innovate the ramping up of this technology to whatever
> application they may be contemplating.
>
> But when they begin to show signs of doing just that, you view them as
> somehow violating their relationship with you.
>
> I don't get it.
>
> Help me understand.
>
> That said, let me guess at what lies at the core of your speaking out of two
> sides of your mouth. It boils down to that old angel v. devil voice that
> sits with each of us. One speaks in one ear, the other in the other ear (to
> use a common image).
>
> As a human being, the good that is in you listens to the angle voice. The
> bad that is in you listens to the other voice.
>
> The angel voice says: help the world be a better place. The devil voice
> says, "think of how much money you could make if you maintained control of
> this technology."
>
> Is it that simple?
>
> If so, I would just ask of you to at least respect that our intentions to
> foster those who wish to mass market or improve on the design is born of a
> positive wish for mankind, and not greed. What do we get out of it?
> Gratitude, respect, satisfaction for a job well done -- but not much money.
> That's okay, because that is not why we are in this.
>
> Sterling
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